The Arizona State Senate held a hearing Thursday to get an update on the Maricopa County Forensic Audit of the 2020 election.
Several issues with the actual ballots were brought up during the hearing by Doug Logan, the CEO of Cyber Ninjas, including major errors in ballot printing calibration and also the different types of paper that were used to print the ballots for Maricopa County. Logan asserted that because of the paper, there was the issue of ‘bleed through’ which could have impacted the results of the votes by causing ‘over vote’ or causing votes for the wrong candidates to be counted.
Logan attributed the issues to the calibration of the ballots, and the thickness of the paper used during the election in Maricopa County.
“Ballots are designed as such if you fill out one side of the ballot, it’s very important that if you fill out a bubble and it does happen to bleed through, it doesn’t do so in manner that impacts the way the vote that was cast. In order to make sure they are actually aligned, on one side of the ballot there is the circle and x’s and the other side of the ballot there’s actually printed a cross. When a ballot is properly aligned that cross will line up perfectly inside the circle.”
“Based on standards, [the top picture] is the maximum it’s supposed to be offset, so it’s valid and theres no issues. You want to be in the bullseye. This is an actual ballot out of Maricopa County that was out of calibration by 1900%. We are still running this process for all the batches so we may find more. Just to be specific, from a calibration standpoint it’s supposed to be 100% in the bullseye. The average calibration error in the Maricopa County Ballots we’ve examined is 1024% and the worse is 3200% out of calibration.”
“If they are offset, if it bleeds through it could potentially cause an over vote or cause you to vote for someone you didn’t mean do.”
However, Logan specified that there shouldn’t have been any problems with the bleed through since Maricopa County asserted that they only used a special type of paper stock for ballots, on in which a sharpie would not be able to bleed through.
“Specifically we shouldn’t have had problems with bleed through. A newsletter that was put out by Maricopa County talks about the paper they use. They say they use vote secure paper which is a thick paper with a special coating that ensures bleed through wouldn’t be a problem.”
Logan then shows an actual ballot from Maricopa County where there is evidence of bleed through.
“We are trying to figure out if this impacted votes, but this is an indication of problems of over voting or voting for the wrong candidate.”
Arizona State Senate President Karen Fann questioned Logan on the type of Paper used by Maricopa County,
“So Maricopa County said they only use secure paper that does not allow for bleed through, so if that is correct there is no way there would be bleed through as what we are seeing on the ballots?
Logan: “Yes based on our discussions with paper experts they specifically state that [the Maricopa County] paper is thick enough and it wouldn’t bleed through and we are seeing a lot of very thin paper stock being utilized especially on Election Day.”
Fann: “There was sharpie-gate at the beginning and there were Maricopa County election people coming back and saying if there was bleed through it wouldn’t have effected votes is that true?
Logan: “we need more analysis but if there was an offset and there was bleed through it could definitely affect the ballots.”
Fann: “How do we verify that if Maricopa County is saying we only use four types of paper and they are all secure and we are saying they are not, how do we get that documentation to get to the truth?”
Logan: “We can request information on the purchasing of paper that was utilized for ballots, what their quantities were and where they were utilized. We can get information on what printers were utilized [as well.]